Star Wars: The Last Jedi began screening in theaters around the country late last night, and already millions of Americans have seen this latest chapter in the popular film series. What’s been interesting to watch in the hours since its release, is that the general public seems to be finding this the most divisive Star Wars film yet. While almost universally lauded by professional pop culture and film critics alike. The Last Jedi is seemingly not doing quite as well with the average American moviegoer. A fact many Progressive types somehow seem to be actively celebrating as proof of their own moral superiority. 

Case in point this article written for Wired magazine entitled, “The Last Jedi Will Bother Some People. Good.” In which writer Angela Watercutter not so subtly informs us all that “The movie isn’t here to Make the Galaxy Great Again.” We are are told that those who don’t like “diversity” should not see the film. Of course as is now standard practice for today’s modern liberals, by diversity they don’t mean a variety of thought but rather simply superficial differences in skin color. None of this is too surprising however when you consider the original title of the now modified story was actually, “The Last Jedi Will Be To Inclusive for Some People. Good.” 

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Angela was seemingly right about one thing though. For some reason, many regular people just aren’t connecting with this new film the same way professional critics seem to be. Case in point the critic versus audience score on both Rotten Tomatoes and MetaCritic

It would seem that the average moviegoer doesn’t appreciate an obviously politicized half hours worth of pointless subplot. Which is frustratingly what the film provides, as almost the entirety of the genuinely forced “Progressive” parts of the movie take place in an oddly out of place subplot, that ultimately feels like it lacks any real purpose beyond simply pleasing SJW types

A quick look at r/StarWars over on Reddit will give you an idea of just how negative a reaction the film is getting from many of its most die hard fans. With reviews entitled things like “I’m Crushed” and “Worst Star Wars Ever” being voted to the top of the community. To put things in perspective, some users over on 4chan’s film board are starting to suggest that even the much maligned prequels have more merit to them than these new films.

Now to be fair to Disney and its new creation. Despite what some SJW types might over excitedly try to claim, the entire film is certainly not just one giant Anti-Trump political allegory. But this is exactly why the examples of shoehorned feminism, forced diversity, and Liberal politics that are present become all the more jarring. As they don’t fit naturally into an otherwise enjoyable film, and turn what should have been just a fun night out at the movies for Americans of all types. Into yet another breeding ground for more political based online arguing and smug Liberal virtue signaling. 

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  • Jace Kai

    SJW’s turn everything to shit. Everything. These new films aren’t even true Star Wars to pre-millennial fans like me, just more whimsical PC Disney horseshit. For many of us, real SW films began in 1977 and ended in 1983, back when the parents of these whiny not-yet-thought-of SJW’s were still in diapers.

    • Jack Kenrick

      I would say oddly enough, that Rogue One was the exception.
      Not sure how it got past the Disney SJW board, but it was pretty good overall.

    • Defeat The Left

      I agree. also Disney tossed away the EU stories which were great for this rebooted Space Nazi “First order” BS.

    • Maxmax

      the original star wars films were absolutely films with liberal ideas and themes running through them. For example, lucas tried to make american audiences empathize with the vietnamese by making the evil empire a massive well oiled industrial machine that takes over other planets and uses bombs that kill countless civilians while the rebels are technologically inferior people who want to live their lives outside of the influence of the empire. In the return of the jedi we see the ewoks fighting off the giant war machines of the empire in the forests of endor with crude traps and nets. this imagery is very representitive of the vietnam war where the vietnamese used crude weaponry in dense forests to defeat the more advanced U.S millitary. that sort of imagery represents the fact that the original star wars films had a lot of progressive and liberal themes and george lucas’s prequel films continued this with a parable about the bush administration and the war in iraq so this idea that “SJW” are “ruining star wars” right now is dumb and childish

      • Ivan Manchev

        First, the viatnamese war connection is only in your mind, and second – Vietnam is not in USA, so your army had no business there. I am glad they fucked you up.

        • saturnine

          One could just as well argue that the SJW connection is only in your mind too.

          • StopBeingOffendedDERP

            No, it’s not. angela watercutter, freak extraordinaire told us so.

      • Stevek

        The problem with SJWs isn’t the positive liberal ideas they promote, it’s their animosity toward any tradition at all. It’s the anger toward whites and males that ruins these films not the efforts to expand diversity.

      • Peter Vaňušanik

        Even if you say that SW was about Vietnamese war, there is no way to get that from the movies themselves. However SJW reeks in this movie totally.

    • Kyle Christopher

      The problem is that they seem to have inserted “diverse” characters for the sake of diversity. Nobody ever had a problem with Lando, because he was cool and added to the story. Nobody ever had a problem with Princess Leia as a woman leading the Rebel Alliance, because she was a great character. Nobody ever had a problem with a white guy named Han often being a bumbler, or the Imperials played by pasty British men. Certainly nobody had a problem with the greatest character in cinema being voiced by James Earl Jones. The franchise was built on female and minority characters.

    • disqus_tfyL8f9IeK

      Well as a millennial myself, I couldn’t agree more. Believe it or not, we’re not all bleeding heart Clinton Youth morons.

  • Meh. The Star Wars franchise died with the third movie. I mean, Ewoks? Seriously? Darth looking like a special needs kid with scars? That fake-a$$ conversion/repentance at the end? Leia and Luke as brother and sister?

    Reminder:

    THE EMPIRE DID NOTHING WRONG.
    .

    • Michael Bearden

      Never forget Aldaraan

      • Blowing up Aldaraan wasn’t wrong. They were a nest of rebellion and their Princess was complicit in both sedition and treason. It was also a righteous demonstration of the power of their weapons.

        Hell, we blew up Nagasaki and Hiroshima, carpet-bombed most of Germany, firebombed Dresden. We starved out our own rebels with a “scorched earth” policy during the march to the sea in the 1800s.

        It’s called WAR.
        .

        • Ivan Manchev

          Do you have idea what is blowing up a whole world? Blowing a world was not wrong, because there was rebels on it? So, killing probably milions of kids, as well the whole ecosystem is nothing wrong? You are ill.

          • No more ill than the people who firebombed Dresden, or bombed industrial cities in Germany in WWII, or who bombed Hiroshima or Nagasaki, or who starved hundreds of thousands in Saddam’s Iraq through “economic sanctions,” etc. etc.

          • Beestingza

            +TipTipTopKek Dude I appreciate the analogy to WWII, but trying to extend it to interplanetary warfare is stupid; one, we will never have inter-solar warfare of this sort because of the vast distances involved, and two, the relative sizes of populations and casualties aren’t comparable. Just as Ivan said, annihilating an entire planet, with all its diversity of life and culture is beyond criminal and into approaching the ultimate evil possible. You are essentially cheering for god-Nazis.

    • Ivan Manchev

      Third movie probably had sins, but also had entertaiment to offer. Epic music, epic finishing of the saga. Ep 8 had nothing, pile of trash. Weakest movie of all 8.

  • Shane Reynolds

    So, what a terrible end to a series of movies I called my favorite. Are they going to kill Indiana Jones next? Star wars is a Skywalker story along with the Force story. With Luke now out…I am out. I wont buy this movie when it comes out for my star wars collection. I wont be going to the next star wars either. Great job Disney…..lets kill some more heros in your movies…..Bambi next??

    • Captain Kronos

      They are just Disney fan films. The real ending was Lucas’ ending. Unfortunately, at best, that ending will someday be a comic book but will never be movies featuring Hamill, Ford, Fisher.

    • Me

      They won’t kill Bambi they’ll just turn Bambi into a trans-species, feminist that identifies as a cat….or something.

  • Larry Sliwa

    It’s fiction for a reason. Barring any single outlier women, if we fought wars with females instead of males, we would lose every single war….and that my friends, if why this movie is a SJW’s fictional heaven…and ironically that’s a fact.

    • Zak Ember

      I’d point out that most of Hollywood loves promoting this fiction. It’s super-common TV trope to cast women in places that most women don’t actually aspire to be in… say, in “Bright” which just came out, the Sarge and Captain in the police precinct are both ethnic women. Or like having a female Navy S.E.A.L. in a military drama despite the S.E.A.L.s never having a female member ever. In Star Wars, Poe is basically be condemned for being a headstrong male in ‘this woman’s army’… when in fact, it’s poor the leadership decisions on Leia and Holdo to not share information down the chain that leads to the insurrection Poe starts near the end of the film. (Which of course, he’s completely called down for.)

      In reality, the women in charge in this situation made everything much, much worse… and that’s the result of what happens when SJW’s want to write fiction about how things ‘should’ work. They can’t write about building something up, it’s always about tearing someone or something down. Leia and Holdo are praised in the narrative for being planners and rational, when in actuality, they are condescending, non-team players who refuse to share ideas and welcome alternative suggestions and input.

  • Captain Kronos

    I’ve read posts from many who hate the movie. I hate the movie. Have not seen one person hate it because non-whites were in it.

    • JohnH

      You might want to read this very comment thread you find yourself in.

      • Zimezumm

        You might want to pull your head out of your ignorance and realize the difference between “I don’t like white males painted ONLY negatively on purpose” and “I don’t like diverse casts”.
        Everybody loved Rouge One, in case you forgot.

        • JohnH

          Literally the first comment that was right fucking below yours:

          “It’s fiction for a reason. Barring any single outlier women, if we fought wars with females instead of males, we would lose every single war….and that my friends, if why this movie is a SJW’s fictional heaven…and ironically that’s a fact.”

          What’s “Rouge One”, illiterate moron?

          • Zimezumm

            Oh so you are generalizing from a single comment which by the way DOES NOT MENTION race? LOL

            Mocking foreigners for imperfect language skills is perhaps the lowest you can go but hey at least you are not as intolerant as we are. Oh wait

          • Arminds’ copy of Swank

            That comment has no mention of race so using it to prove a point about people hating Star Wars for being non-white is idiocy

          • JohnH

            Literally one of your OWN comments in this very thread whining about race, you fucking clueless shitbag:

            “Arminds’ copy of Swank • 3 hours ago
            It seems the movie was about getting rid of white male history. Luke who was the hero of the rebellion is now a depressed hermit and diversity aka less white men is the way forward.”

          • Desktop44

            “whining about race” – standard leftist shaming rhetoric.

          • Zimezumm

            Gotta love it when the same exact thing can be both virtuous or disgusting depending on the skincolor of the subject, and yet its somehow not racist at all. So much so that it’s actually you who is racist if you dare to point it out. Orwell facepalms in his grave.

          • StopBeingOffendedDERP

            Hey “I have a beard because it give the illusion I’m manly and it’s peer approved by other soy boys” looks like your use of curse words is betraying your surface intelligence is just that…surface.

            LOL (What is most awesome is I’m a former democrat who finally woke up to the chains democrats were keeping people in ghettos for decades…and turned a blue state red. I’m also educated with a 6 figure income and I don’t see people by skin color, unlike you twits, so I get the best of both worlds and can pummel people like you in any real debate.) Enjoy your soy!

    • Bryan Stroup

      It’s not possible to believe that people dislike it because of poorly written characters, a poorly written plot with a bunch of plot holes and things that were unceremoniously discarded from the previous film “because edgy”, or that the pacing has major issues.

      THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!

    • VulcanTheTerrible

      I’m a non white asian and even I thought it was the worst most pointless Star Wars movie to date.

      It seems as though they have run out of good stories to tell but prefer making some sort of utterly useless political statement as an excuse to fill the vacuum.

  • Mike Youknowwho

    The new Star Wars isn’t inclusive, it is exclusive of White males in any role but subordinates and bad guys.

    • JohnH

      Right, because Luke Skywalker, who literally saves the day, is a black female dwarf.

      • Zimezumm

        JohnH, in case you haven’t noticed, one of the primary objectives of this movie was to make Luke look as pathetic as humanly possible.

        • JohnH

          Yeah, that sure was pathetic when he singlehandedly faced the entirety of the First Order’s ground forces and saved everyone. I was all, like, what a little bitch.

          • Zimezumm

            Except he didn’t face them, did he? It was an illusion, which is a metaphor for his whole “Legend”. You don’t seem to understand the movie you are defending.

          • JohnH

            Right, because when I think “as pathetic as humanly possible” I imagine a character that can project himself with his mind alone across lightyears and defeat an army.

            You really just make shit up to suit your stupid political ideology, don’t you, typical asshole?

          • Zimezumm

            Err, what army did he defeat again? Forget army, did he defeat anybody? I heard plenty of whining from him though, and learned that he wanted to kill the son of his sister and his best friend in his sleep like a coward. Are you sure it’s not you who is making shit up, my dear friend?

          • JohnH

            OMFG, you fucking moron. He prevented the entire ground forces of a galactic Empire from entering the fortress where the rebels were. That was a fucking defeat for them. Don’t parse words, idiot.

          • Zimezumm

            Seems two days was not enough for you to force a civilized mask on yourself. It’s embarrassing to see these meltdowns you produce while trying to deny the obvious.

          • JohnH

            A “civilized mask”? I don’t need a mask. I am civilized. Civilized, you savage, is being rigorously factual and honest. You have shown in this exchange that you will literally claim any nonsense and play with words to twist reality to fit your ideological agenda. I would rather drink arsenic than ever lower myself to such degrading displays of intellectual dishonesty. Next to your reality-denial, calling you a fucking moron is veritably Marquis of Queensbury.

            And I guarantee your next response will be more dishonest bullshit.

          • Zimezumm

            You seem to have some difficulties with the concept of being civilized, or the concept of dishonesty for that matter.
            Luke is presented as a coward in this movie. Not even those who liked the film deny that he was out of character. Even Mark freaking Hamill agrees with me, ffs.
            You are absolutely alone with your delusions, and you know it. That’s why you are throwing temper tantrums like a spoilt child.

          • Patrick Glover

            This movie was made for half of the country and that explains its Rotten Tomatoes score. If you are progressive, you love it. If not, you probably don’t for the most part. There’s no doubt the movie was made with an agenda and it’s a shame. Star Wars should be universal. It’s fine to have political messages but how about have them in between the lines versus adding a giant casino subplot that was unnecessary in a long movie.

          • Zimezumm

            I did some soul searching and I’m pretty sure I would equally hate it if the indoctrination was about the importance of free speech, for example. Like you said, it should be universal. Why do people cheer propaganda just because they agree with the message being spoonfed to them? This will come back to bite us all one day.

          • Mark Suojanen

            Well Stated Patrick.
            I feel the same way. The previous star war movies at best had subtle political overtones. They were basically Good versus Evil adventure movies. This movie serves only to be just one more thing that divides us.

          • StopBeingOffendedDERP

            This is a perfect example of projecting. ” I am civilized, you savage’ after being the first to through out a curse word. AHAHAHAHAHA

          • Defeat The Left

            ….Also look how hostile he is?

          • StopBeingOffendedDERP

            Exactly…’johnh’ is a repressed wannabe cis male.

            Strike that…just male. They are ineffectual, testosterone lacking soy boys.

          • Phil K

            Harsh, but accurate ! LOL

          • Joseph Blow

            Damn dude. You are really filled with hate.
            Is that an antifa thing?

          • Phil K

            No, mate. John H is filled with SJW arrogance and bullshit. (As well as hate for anyone who sees him and the rest as the heterophobic parasites they are)

          • Phil K

            He’s wiping his backside with you John. And it’s hilarious to watch. You’re prime SJW – hypocritical and not remotely as “intelligent” as you believe you are. Arrogance isn’t intellect, sunshine

          • StopBeingOffendedDERP

            and THAT right there is why no one likes dbags like you ‘johnh’. You have to start off with the name calling and insults.

            You are a soy boy. nice ‘hey I have a beard to give the illusion I’m more manly and because it’s peer accepted by other soy boys!’

          • Phil K

            Theres someone being shown he seems to have seen what he WANTED to see in this SJW crap which has aleinated most Star Wars fans isn’t there John ? Rose coloured glasses worn by you watching it, or maybe you didn’t see it at all and just claiming you did ?

      • Bryan Stroup

        Except that the only reason he “saved the day”, is because Finn was “rescued” by a hypocrite who had a hero worshiping crush on him and so that the writer could kill off Luke.

        The theory that people are upset because it’s “too diverse” isn’t really accurate either. People are upset when the film is only diverse for the sake of being diverse and not because the characters are actually interesting. Both Holdo (Kathleen Kennedy character) and Rose (the new Jar Jar) are dumpster fire levels of written characters and only there to meet the now quota.

      • Phil K

        And a white wimmin who has 10 minutes training and is a fully fledged jedi after that ? You write it ? Nah. Some other submissive male probably. Oh and wheres the NON white bad guy then ?

  • Amir Timur-i-lenk

    The smugness of the Jewish editor woman reminds me of that gumball episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpKWWpsVLtU

    It’s like the film doesn’t matter at all to her or the SJW’s, it’s just more opportunity to lecture the audience about SJW messages for the sake of virtue signalling.

    Couldn’t be arsed to see this new film, it just looks so dull and boring, having the Star Wars label isn’t enough to get me interested after the lame sequel that was Force Awakens.

    • Joseph Blow

      Except Angela Watercutter is not Jewish.
      Nice try Mohammed.

      • Seso

        Are you sure, Joseph? She looks like a jewish man, and has a jewish name. And by the way, calling Amir “Mohammed” is the kind of thing your lot would say was racist if Trump done it.

        • Joseph Blow

          Sorry Achmad, didnt mean to offend your kind.

      • StopBeingOffendedDERP

        She’s a freak.

  • Kyle Christopher

    What a steaming pile. I now hate every character (Chewbacca, R2D2, and C3PO excepted) regardless of race, color, or creed.

  • actualvsplan@gmail.com

    I just saw the movie. I will never go to another Star Wars movie again. Great job Disney.

    • Ivan Manchev

      Why anyone would go anyway. Remeber Episode II? Was very bad one, but did one part very well. It made me thrilled for ep III. Ep 5 did the same thing. Ep 8? After i finished it, i couldn’t care any less what happens next. Only reason i cared for ep 8 itself was the returning Luke and the hopes the story will go deeper. Instead, it was worse even than ep 7.

  • def

    It was great. Wiping out so much of the past, leaving open possibilities for the future. A couple of the jokes were a little awkward. I didn’t like BB8 nearly as much as in Force Awakens, but I thought Poe, Rey, Finn and especially Kylo Ren were much, much better. I saw all the original trilogy multiple times over thirty years ago, and this movie actually told a new story, which was the biggest weakness of Force Awakens, the lack of story. It was my kid’s first Star Wars film in the theater, they loved it, especially the showdown between Rey, Snoke and Ren.

    Can’t make everybody happy it seems.

    • Mark_B_8219

      This movie had no coherent story at all. At least TFA had some semblance of a plot, derivation aside.

      • def

        Maybe it was over your head? Rey, Ren and Luke had a lot of character progression, thanks to the story. The space stuff was the B-plot.

        • Mark_B_8219

          No, this was objectively bad storytelling. There were plot holes the size of starmiller base, the only character “progression” was whining about hope or copying better films, and most of the characters didn’t behave in any way like their established canon would suggest. The entire “hacker” subplot did nothing whatsoever to propel the story forward, and was a total waste of time.

          Finally (and I can’t believe I’m saying this), it was supposed to be a Star Wars movie. The “space stuff” is the entire point. If I wanted to watch bad actors pretending to come out to their ashamed fathers, I’d watch Twilight.

          • def

            Okay, you didn’t get it. It’s not for everyone. The hacker subplot was deepening the understanding of the known Star Wars universe, showing that they weren’t just fighting for a faceless, apathetic galaxy, but actual people like Rose, hurt in the crossfire of the wars. For pure plot’s sake, it was emphasizing the themes of failure due to characters’ resolute confidence in themselves: Luke in the past, Poe in his mutiny, Finn with the hacker, and Snoke with Ren, all fail due to their hubris. And even Rey and Ren thought they were understanding the other and directly misunderstood. Even the Skywalker prophecies were failures. That’s good story-telling, not just an A to B plot where stuff happens.

            Now it’s an open universe, freed from legacy. If you’re hung up on the past, yeah, you’ll be disappointed by a movie that proudly moves on from it. You can keep watching the original trilogy though. It’s still there, and maybe Disney will even release the untouched originals for you to watch.
            I’ll enjoy them all, since I can appreciate change, and not get weighed down into what George Lucas did in ‘77. The Last Jedi was an objectively good movie in my opinion. Enjoy the OT, I’m looking forward to 9, 10, 11 and 12. I’m buying popcorn for them too.

          • Mark_B_8219

            You say “The Last Jedi wa an objectively good movie in my opinion.” You clearly have no idea what “objectively” means, unlike me. You’re more than welcome to interpret whatever you want to from the movie, but bad storytelling is bad storytelling.

            Legacy is the purpose of Star Wars. It can move on in different directions, but not at the expense of the franchise and it’s clearly established purpose and point. If the directors and producers to come want to make their Social Justice Propaganda, they’re of course welcome to do that as well, but they shouldn’t dress it up like Star Wars.

          • Desktop44

            Leftists are predictable and easily pleased, they don’t care about other people either whether it’s an audience or the Star Wars franchise and its legacy. It’s all about them and everyone else is “stupid/dumb” or “right-wing”. They are simpletons.

          • Zimezumm

            Except they can’t do that, because it doesn’t sell on its own. The only way to sell this “there are no heroes” postmodern bullshit is by piggybacking actual heroes that people want to see, and then tearing them down to make a point. It’s pure vandalism.

          • Desktop44

            “Okay, you didn’t get it. It’s not for everyone.”
            Leftist bigots always claim intellectual superiority/call critics ‘stupid’, it’s part of leftist pathology. Showing here – in the original tweets pictured in the article and in the two arrogant leftist ideologues posting in the comments.
            “The hacker subplot was deepening the understanding of the known Star Wars universe”
            ‘Oh I’m so deep and I will ramble into pretentious apologism and deliberately miss the point’…
            “I’ll enjoy them all, since I can appreciate change, and not get weighed down into what George Lucas did in ‘77.”
            Defiant boasting, implied insults…classic leftism. Horrible people. NB: Star Wars only exists thanks to what Lucas did in 1977 you moron.
            ” Enjoy the OT, I’m looking forward to 9, 10, 11 and 12. I’m buying popcorn for them too.”
            Now the ideologue descends into hubris, rubbing it in your face and showing blind enthusiasm after pretending for several paragraphs it had a deep critical appreciation. Self-owned.
            “The Last Jedi was an objectively good movie in my opinion.”
            Objective in my opinion – lol such genius.

          • def

            It’s not for you either. Accept it and move on, don’t make a political tantrum about it. It’s ultimately a movie for kids and the young at heart.

            I have said nothing to show I’m a bigot. I’m not as angry and hostile as you though, that’s apparent. I’m sorry you are so hateful to people who enjoy a popcorn movie differently than you. I wish you the best of luck in finding balance in your life.

    • Bob

      Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue! Mary Sue!

      Cut and paste is so bueno! But yeah, Rey ruins the movie.

      • def

        Same as Luke and Anakin. Those two were total Mary Sues. That’s not a criticism. Anakin was a podracing star and took out the Separatist mothership at the age of nine. All the SW movies have heroes who do unlikely stuff. If you don’t like it, fair enough, stick to the originals and prequels. They’ll always be there. But people need to chill out about new movies. I didn’t care for Rogue One that much, but I just moved on. The main reason I was reading about this movie was because I liked it and wanted to discuss it.

        In the days since seeing it, giving it thought, I still really like it, but there was a lot of clutter on top of the movie that I liked. I’d cut 40 minutes out of it; make Laura Dern’s character Leia, tighten up that casino part a lot, but I think Rey was the best part of the movie. And her not being connected to some old characters legacy was my favorite part, like the SW movies were growing up and stepping away from the boring incestuous history it was pushing. This feels way closer to the ‘77 SW to me than the prequels or Force Awakens. In A New Hope, Luke was just a kid who found droids. In the prequels, we learn his dad made C3PO. Yawn.

        • Benedek Horváth

          “Same as Luke and Anakin” Except no.
          The only Mary Sue/Gary Stu other than Rey was tiny Anakin. But for all intents and purposes, tiny Anakin and barely-adult Anakin are completely different characters.

          By the time of AOTC, Anakin had as much training as an 18 year old Jedi padawan, and he had the largest Force pool in the Order. Meaning he had every reason to have quote a bit of experience in doing Jedi stuff. Still, despite his expertise, he got in a LOT of trouble – he got beaten, friend and dismembered by Dooku, he almost got killed by Zam Wessel (the changeling assassin), he fails in controling Padme, despite being her security, he is a deeply flawed character who murders an entirely village of sandpeople for practically no reason… Need I go on? The same applies to RotS Anakin. Both are flawed characters.

          As for Luke, let’s see. His established traits are:
          -Piloting really good (it is said that he wants to go to a piloting academy, and his skills are mentioned several times in the movie).
          -He is probably a decent shot – he carries around a rifle when going after the sandpeople, so more than likely he at least knows how to use a gun (as opposed to Rey).
          Despite these skills, he gets beaten up by the sandpeople, he gets beaten up in Mos Eisley, he can’t do the mission alone, he needs Ben, Solo and Chewbacca, he whines throughout the movie, and he has literally one force feat in the entire first episode – that is, a small amount of precognition, to know when to drop his bomb. And even then, he is assisted by Solo and Wedge, and the entire Red Squadron sacrifice themselves to help him succeed.

          Luke doesn’t reach Rey’s skill level in lightsabers and force powers until RotJ (3 and a half years after the events of the first movie). And he never reaches her tech skills, her survival skills, her accuracy with the blaster, and I would argue her piloting skills – the maneuver she pulled off with the Falcon was harder than what Solo did on the asteroid, and he’s been piloting that ship for several years, while that was Rey’s first time.

          Furthermore, everyone likes Rey. Literally every character is nice to her. Luke was mocked by both Leia and Han, he was a loser until he proved himself.

          Oh, did I mention Rey practically beats Luke in a duel in TLJ? Come on.

          And the problem why people wanted Rey to be someone’s someone is because she is waaaaaaay too powerful to be just a nobody. Remember, Anakin was artificial. Theoretically, no human should ever come close to his powers, except for his immediate lineage. And from what we’ve seen, Rey is magnitudes more potent than Luke. So yeah. She is a Mary Sue.

        • Bob

          I disagree about Rey but you’re spot-on about reducing the length of the movie and what to cut. I also agree with you about the prequels and Dorce awakens. Still, I fear the SW franchise is close to being driven off a cliff Thelma & Louise style.

        • Zak Ember

          I was scrolling down the page and your opening line in your comment caught my eye. I think it’s pretty clear between all the movies that Rey stands out way more as an over-powered character than either Luke or Anakin. You brought up a great point about Anakin, and the case for him being a Mary Sue, (or Gary Stu, the male version) has potential.

          He’s probably the best place to start at. When you compare Rey to Anakin, the both grew up on desert planets, however, Anakin didn’t fend for himself; he was a slave who had a master and mother who took care of him. (Rey somehow figured it all out on her own.) Anakin was a great racer, true, but helpless in a fight. (Rey single-handedly beats the stuffing out of everyone she meets, sans Snoke.) Anakin, despite all his power, still required years of training from one of the greatest Jedi who ever lived, (Obi-Wan Kenobi) and received supplementary training from Mace Windu, Yoda, and other masters of the order, and still lost an arm in his first encounter with a Sith. Afters years of war and a moment of tapping into the dark side, he defeats that master. Rey, in comparison, basically figures it all out for herself. Lastly, Anakin, if he was a true Mary Sue/Gary Stu, would never be wrong. The fact that he becomes the villain shows he was very wrong, (hell, he murdered children in cold blood), and in his fight with Obi-Wan, despite his power, loses due to arrogance and tactics. In other words, despite his overpowered initial appearance, his overall power level, (though high) doesn’t negate his character flaws or make him immune to making mistakes. Rey on the other hand, has one made one so far that becomes a non-mistake, which is handing herself over to Kylo/Snoke… and even that ‘mistake’ ends up with Snoke’s death, nullifying it as a mistake.

          Luke on the other hand, is a hero. He’s immature at the start, unskilled, (loses to sand people, gets knocked around in a bar, can’t shoot a stormtrooper, and can’t get the girl… although that was a good thing in this case.) To blow up the death star, he has the support of an entire X-Wing unit, (his best friend dies saving him) and the coaching of a Jedi Master on his shoulder to help him make a life-saving shot, while also being rescued by Han. In Empire, some random beast gets the drop on him and he gets saved by Han (again), and then he abandons his friends to have a boot camp with one of the best Jedi masters who ever lived, and improves greatly… but not before disappointing that master with his poor attitude. Before the training, it was a big trick for him to pull a lightsaber out of the snow. After his training, we see a different Luke in terms of his ability to wield a saber, force leap, use force telekinesis, and reach out with force clairvoyance. And despite all that, he gets beaten within an inch of his life, loses his hand, and has his entire world view destroyed, leaving him emotionally devastated. In Return of the Jedi, we see Luke as basically a dark side user, force choking people, (much like Vader), making death threats, and executing plans that hinged around killing Jabba the Hutt. He loses to Vader and to the Emperor, and only defeats his father by giving into the dark side. His heroic moment is the choice to let it go, even if it means his death… that’s the moment he actually becomes a Jedi, even if it will only be for a few minutes, and it means his death and the death of his friends. It’s a level of sacrifice that’s really noble, and inspires Vader to turn on his master. In other words, Luke was failing all through Jedi until the very end, and he dug deep and overcame it.

          In comparison, Rey beats a Sith on her first go, and working with Kylo, beats an entire room of force adepts. She perfectly executes a Jedi Mind trick, (despite never even having heard of it), and can completely waltz into and out of dark side areas completely unscathed. When Kylo blasts her with a revelation about who her parents are, she’s basically unfazed as it has no impact on who she is. And without any actual coaching from a Jedi master, she’s able to use Force Telekinesis in any way she sees fit. Every choice she makes is the right one, and she sacrifices absolutely nothing in the series thus far. Somehow, she speaks droid, Wookie, and any other language they want her to. She flies the Falcon and knows its workings better than Han, fights better than Luke, and doesn’t need to be rescued from being captured like Leia.

          My point is, it’s really, really easy when you compare these characters side by side to see that Rey was written to be a badass for the sake of being a badass. Luke and even Anakin were written as characters that would eventually become either villains or heroes, depending on their choices. To be a hero, you have to overcome adversity, and thus far, Luke, (as the main hero of Star Wars) had to overcome a lot, accept and seek out help, and admit when he wasn’t up to the task. Rey apparently never needs teaching, learns everything on her own, and has yet to make a mistake. That’s why it’s easy to make the case that Rey is a Mary Sue.

          • def

            Mary Sue is a boring term, excessively used. It’s a sort of manufactured anger guys have about girls in their stuff. As much as the left gets angry about a lack of diversity, Mary Sue’s are the right’s way to get angry about actual diversity. There are way better battles to fight than this.

          • Zak Ember

            I can see why you might feel like the term is thrown around too much, but in this case it’s legitimately applied. And it’s definitely not anger at diversity that drives the “Mary Sue” argument. “Mary Sue” is a cultural term defining an overpowered character that defies the logic of the established universe.

            From Wikipedia: “A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment.[1] They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience.”

            The original pastiche Mary Sue short story, (made by an author making fun of Star Trek fan-fiction) has Mary Sue be the youngest ever Starfleet bridge officer at 15 and a half years old, with every male character instantly falling in love with her. She fights better than Kirk, flies better than Sulu, is as smart as, (or smarter) than Spock, etc.

            Everything I wrote out had nothing to do with gender or diversity, and has everything to do with writing and characterization. I simply pointed out that when you compare the characters, Rey easily stands out against these other characters as fitting the definition of Mary Sue. And Mary Sues are typically a symptom of bad writing.

            Personally, I think we need to start throwing out ‘diversity’ as some catch-all noble attribute or detriment. Too many people give bad writing a pass because they somehow want it to link to ‘diversity’, and too many people want to criticize based on the same factor. Analysis about whether a piece was good or bad needs to based on the basics: logic, plot, structure, theme, character. These are defined by what the characters say and do, and it is by their actions that we determine what they represent and who they are to us as the audience.

          • Zak Ember

            No offense Def, but I listed out multiple instances proving that Rey indeed fits the Mary Sue description by comparing her to other Star Wars characters from the movies. What you’re doing here is called an “Ad populum”; the issue being discussed is whether Rey is or is not a Mary Sue. An Ad Populum fallacy of logic is an appeal that tries to redirect emotion towards a negative, (or positive) concept rather than the actual issue. I enjoy a good debate as much as the next guy, so if you really want to stick by the idea that Rey isn’t a Mary Sue, by all means, go ahead. But please, stick to the facts. That’s why I liked your, “same as Luke & Anakin” post… you started off with a good premise for a good argument.

          • def

            No offense taken. I didn’t find Rey’s character any more implausible than Anakin’s or Luke’s or any other hero’s journey, especially in movies with 600 year old green wizards. I think Rey’s an interesting character. If you think she is a dictionary-definition Mary Sue, power to you.

  • Kidd

    SJW’s are the most bigoted people alive, because literally *everything* is about race and gender for them. They can’t see beyond these things. If you don’t like a movie that has a diverse cast, you must be racist. No, it’s not like you’re upset that they’re politicizing a movie and pushing divisive and hateful rhetoric while portraying white men as universally evil and irredeemable, it must be because you hate that the hero isn’t a white man.

    • Defeat The Left

      well said.

    • Zac Oh

      Hush now, cuck. Nobody cares.

      • Jesus is coming..RUN!

        Zac shhh I’m listening to Kidd.

      • Robert Ferguson

        The one ‘like’ you have is probably from yourself. Kidd’s post was spot on and your response was ridiculous and nobody agrees with you.

      • Kidd

        You should care, because this divisive ideology hurts all of us. Black, white Hispanic, Asian, it doesn’t matter where you’re from or who you are, the more the SJWs push this crap, it’s going to do us ALL lasting harm, and its only going to cause racial tensions to further erode our society until everyone is scared of each other.

      • disqus_tfyL8f9IeK

        Sounds like somebody doesn’t know what the word “cuck” means.

      • Phil K

        Zac son you’re a fine example. Pompous arrogant and full of the self-obsessed bulging eyed fascism you accuse others of.

    • JGuerzon

      “SJW’s are the most bigoted people alive, because literally *everything* is about race and gender for them. They can’t see beyond these things. If you don’t like a movie that has a diverse cast, you must be racist.”

      I could not have said it better.

  • JohnH

    I liked the new film, a lot. I consider it better than any Star Wars film other than the original (in its original form … without the stupid CGI). But then I approached the movie with no political agenda. Maybe that’s why.

    • Zimezumm

      Nobody approached it with an agenda, but the filmmakers did. And you happen to like the agenda that has been shoved down your throat because it fits your own worldview. Which is fine, but you also accuse others of racism just because we prefer fiction instead of propaganda. Why is that so hard to understand? The originals were loved by everyone across the political spectrum because it wasn’t trying to indoctrinate viewers.

      • JohnH

        “Nobody approached it with an agenda”

        Sorry, I just couldn’t get past this part of your comment. Still laughing!

        • Desktop44

          ” But then I approached the movie with no political agenda.”
          Sorry, this post of yours is contradicted by all your other posts.
          Also, the “I’m laughing at you” is typical bog-standard leftist posting.

        • StopBeingOffendedDERP

          ‘nobody approached it with an agenda’ CANNOT be said of the writers and creators.

          Soy boy.

          • JohnH

            “Soy boy” is hilarious. It’s like you’re a brainwashed cliche. If only you had any clue who you were talking to.

    • Ivan Manchev

      No one is without political agenda, so you are only hypocritical lier.

    • Mark Suojanen

      I respect you opinion JohnH but I disagree with it. Do you really think there was no politics injected into this movie. The feminist websites certainly do. Many are decrying that this movie is just what is needed in light of the election of Donald Trump, others that the true enemy in Episode 8 was toxic masculinity.

      • StopBeingOffendedDERP

        JohnH won’t respond; he just wants people to argue with and call names. Your comment was too respectful and classy.

  • M2000

    At least that crazy feminist blew up which Poe tried to initiate a coup against…

  • M2000

    (((They))) tried to make Finn (((gay))) with Poe, thankfully that didn’t happen…

  • DONTE

    Lol… the comments here are hilarious. People don’t like the movie because it is ethnically diversified? Silliest sh*t i ever heard it’s a f%cking sci/fi movie about Aliens?

    • DONTE

      I’m definitely am gonna see it now…. lol

      • Mark_B_8219

        So… you’re going to watch it because it bags on white people? You know that makes you a racist, right?

        • RINO Cage

          Hey, Donte dindu’ nuffin.

    • Arminds’ copy of Swank

      No they hate classic white characters being portrayed as broken depressed hermits and the bad guys as white-only as it fuels an anti-white rhetoric

      • Desktop44

        “they hate classic white characters being portrayed as broken depressed hermits and the bad guys as white-only as it fuels an anti-white rhetoric”
        Leftists gaslighting us by pretending they don’t get this or they really are too dumb to grasp it.

      • DONTE

        See God’s Of Egypt? Noah? Exodus?

    • Zimezumm

      If that was the reason for the backlash, the same would have happened with Rogue One.

      No, most people have no problem with diversity. They have a problem with the systematic destruction of the saga’s fundamentals for ideological reasons.

    • Ivan Manchev

      No, peoples don’t like the movie because is very bad movie, and political propaganda too.

      • DONTE

        But, if u don’t own the Movie u can’t make those decisions? That is the choice of the people who own the rights to the movie? U can call it bad but, u cannot dictate the story line!

        • Jeremiah Johnson

          MAGA

  • Arminds’ copy of Swank

    It seems the movie was about getting rid of white male history. Luke who was the hero of the rebellion is now a depressed hermit and diversity aka less white men is the way forward.

    • def

      Hilarious. At no point watching it did I wonder where the white men were. Why does it always have to be about race? Why can’t you just watch a space fantasy movie? It’s hilarious, but it’s also kind of messed up

      • StopBeingOffendedDERP

        ‘why does it always have to be about race’

        Said the hypocritical liberal when they make everything about race, unless it’s detrimental to ‘white people’.

        • def

          What are you rambling on about?

          • StopBeingOffendedDERP

            My posts are short and succinct.

            For an example of “rambling”, please see def’s posts.

            If you’re not smart enough to infer my point based on the context of the thread, that’s not my fault.

          • StopBeingOffendedDERP

            Here is a perfect example of what I’m “rambling” about. Liberals are the racists. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/45a59fa089ab860d9cc7e0c56d3171e04d04076196e5d62f8c85f1334ca65536.jpg

          • def

            All you do is care about white, which is apparently not race. Merry Christmas!

          • Phil K

            Go away somewhere and whine to another SJW parasite – nice to see you showing your pathetic anti-white racism in your stupidity

          • def

            Merry Christmas to you too! Bless you for setting a positive example to the world.

          • Phil K

            Nice one, SBO – good example of these repulsive incompetent hypocrites and parasites

      • Phil K

        def – if it’s shoved in your face in the most blatant unsubtle way imagineable you can’t miss it

  • TheKnowerseeker

    I didn’t see it in the theater, and now I won’t be watching it at home either, just like with The Force Awakens. Why do Hollyweird/Disney Marxists think that they can shame critical thinkers into adopting Marxism (“Progressivism”/SJW) through sham morality? They ought to just give up: It’s just costing them customers.

    • Ivan Manchev

      Guess the big brother pays more than the customers. Or, if not more, it pays to the right peoples at the right job positions.

      • TheKnowerseeker

        That and too many blue-pilled idiots willing to be brainwashed and pay for it too.

  • Defeat The Left

    Glad we skipped this PC piece of garbage last week and it was even a free screening. “I won’t watch any SJW / PC Trash.

  • Bradford Gauthier

    You’ve got companies like Disney deliberately interjecting social justice warrior doctrine into the movies. They should be focused on creating the best movies possible, not warping the franchise to serve as an allegory for their SJW toadies to enjoy. I literally saw an interview with the cast of Rogue One when that came out, and they were gushing about how it’s the most diverse Star Wars cast ever, yada yada yada, as if that’s a cinematic triumph in and of itself. They’re putting their preconceived politically correct dogma ahead of hiring the best actors/actresses for the roles. It’s the same thing as with Ghostbusters, the filmmakers deliberately interjected an overt feminist narrative into the movie and its marketing. Just make the frikkin movies, and stop bending beloved franchises to your political doctrine. Audiences are sick and tired of this nonsense. Add poor plot, lack of character development, an absence of continuity between the story arcs of Last Jedi and The Force Awakens, and the blasphemy of Luke Skywalker’s inglorious end, and you’ve got a losing combination.

  • ValentBond

    2005 was the end for the saga and I was OK with that. These new are non-canon, fan-fiction.

  • ValentBond

    I don’t usually read reviews, I decide for myself should I go to the movie, but this time adequate people saved me the money (4DX IMAX ticket isn’t that cheap here). Now I don’t even want to torrent it, let alone visit the Theatre.

  • WhyMe?

    Why am I not surprised from people who want Stalin back? But the point will come, where SJW will shot into their own leg. You’ll see 😉

    • saturnine

      I don’t think SJWs would like Stalin back. Stalinist USSR and other states were socially conservative.

      • WhyMe?

        SJWs and leftis are the same… communists by the heart.

        • saturnine

          Yeah this is probably the most damaging generalization ever, not to mention real stupid.

          • WhyMe?

            Sadly it is the fucking truth, whether you like it or not.

  • Joseph blowseph

    Trumpanzees = 😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭

  • Handsome Jimmy Valiant

    SJWs are quite frankly the biggest losers you will find anywhere. They have empty, shallow lives, devoid of any form of achievement. And rather than find ways to better their pathetic lives they take the easy way out by making race or gender their identity.

    What’s even sadder is that Hollywood has bought into the failed ideologies from these scumbags. Hollywood is crumbling and Star Wars aside, losing revenue at a rapid rate in 2017. When all is said and done The Last Jedi will make more than any other in the series but will be the most forgettable. They tried too hard, Asian female and black male characters, female storm trooper… LOL.. come on. Somewhere an SJW is writing fan fiction for a Trans character in the next movie.

    • Bryan Stroup

      How do you know that Snoke wasn’t already a botched transgender job? If he wasn’t before, he is after this film.

  • Marlon Glenn

    This is the child of postmodernist thought. The SJW believes that any connections to the past are irrelevant and must be severed/destroyed. Their definition of “inclusion” is shallow and narcissistic. The movie is not “bad” because it is “inclusive”. It is bad because it is bad. To disrespect tradition does not make you a righteous person. It makes you a fool with no sense of history.

  • BeehiveRound

    I’ve never felt such an overt liberal PC agenda in a Star Wars movie before. It’s like they decided to do that instead of make a Star Wars movie.

    • Zak Ember

      Yep. You see the same thing in almost every CW show, and most TV programming these days. Instead of writing a good story that lets an audience draw a conclusion, they write a story where the author blatantly vomits out their POV and social theory through the mouths of the characters as the top priority, and plot, characters arcs, and themes are secondary. I work in Hollywood and I see this all the time in almost every show now… where a character starts making a speech about social justice that is basically just a way for the author to make a speech to the audience. It’s one of the reasons the industry is so divisive… people like myself don’t like being preached at, and it’s annoying to be TOLD what you should believe instead of being able to assimilate facts, experiences, and debate to decide what we want to believe for ourselves. And also the shows love telling preaching that if you don’t believe what they do, you’re wrong. Just wrong. And probably hateful.

  • Kubrickian

    Hollywood living in a bubble politics aside why bring back loved characters from 40 years ago only to snuff them out Game of Thrones style. At first glance I thought Angela Watercutter was Alfred E. Newman 2.0 no wonder this article was written to shame anyone who doesn’t gulp down Disney Wars ask for seconds.

  • Josh Bollom

    When we complained about the Force aWakens we never knew it would get this bad . The Force Awakens was not a bad movie in comparison ! The Last Jedi is bad because the writing is terrible . We all expect the SJW nonsense to be in it with Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson running the show and I think it is way shallow to think it is this SJW crap is the reason people hate this movie . It may be a part of it but the writing is SO bad in this film and the plot holes are so obvious and stupid it makes the movie unwatchable ! The Last Jedi is bad because it is written by a guy who hates Star Wars .

  • StopBeingOffendedDERP

    #AngelaWatercutter ? She’s definitely been scissoring. LOL kill it with fire.

  • RINO Cage

    The best part of this steaming pile was Princess Leia floating through space still alive even though there’s no oxygen and … uhhh …. no heat.

  • Stevek

    Sorry, Yoda wouldn’t come back as a ghost to host an SJWey book burning party before saying “don’t crap up the girl with training Luke, she doesn’t need it… she’s a woke female millennial! Now go get yourself killed so Laia can fly around like superman!” Stupidest piece of dog sheet produced yet.

  • Phil K

    Noticed that the rabid heterophobic wimmin’s arrogance is in overdrive ? And they’re too full of their non-existent “cleverness” (better known to the rest of us as stupidity) to see it ?

  • Loco

    The participation trophy generation wins again. The movie had so many holes and cheese it sucked a$$.

  • Marx

    better to just ignore these SW movies.

    SW movies are now in same category as my little pony

  • Lucy Dragneel

    I was looking forward to the new Star Wars movie forever, but when I saw it, and all the stupid SJW crap in the movie, I was like Seriously. In the Force Awakens I was a bit iffy because a girl was going to become the main character now, and I was worried about the Feminazi’s out there, then when Rouge One came out I was also worried because another girl was the main character. And I was a bit pissed. But they were okay movies. I just wish they would make movies NOT about politics and more about entertaining people because the political agenda in movies now-a-days is too stupid to comprehend.

  • John Sullivan

    I laughed when i saw admiral purple haired feminist come into power, here to lecture the “trigger happy flyboys” about being destructive. i wonder which gender studies grad thought of that character up. what a fucking stupid ass movie. it literally shits all over every long time character sw fans have loved, then introduces a new shitty cast of sjw progressives that make me want to hurl. star wars is dead.

  • Truth for life

    Kathleen Kennedy was obsessed with injecting Feminism and SJW topics that she and her mostly female writing team she keeps bragging about that they forgot about good character development and what a good story is. What a piece of shit movie destroying the character of Luke to promote Mary Sue Rey.

  • Liberty or Death

    Rian Johnson needs to find his balls again, because in this movie, Kathleen Kennedy effectively neutered him, then kicked them around a bit, and hung them from her rearview mirror like Han Solo’s dice from the Millennium Falcon.

    Sad this movie can be called a “Star Wars” movie.

  • Phil K

    SJWs are a cancer. Just like everything they SUPPORT